As I’ve said before, the popular mantra that God belongs in the home and not in government is a slap in the face to religion everywhere. It unfairly holds religious ideas to a different standard than the various political, social, and moral ideologies regularly paraded into the public sphere. The uproar over the Danish cartoon is yet another example of how poor Western secularists understand religion. Stanley Fish makes this point in today’s NY Times:
The first tenet of the liberal religion is that everything (at least in the realm of expression and ideas) is to be permitted, but nothing is to be taken seriously. This is managed by the familiar distinction — implied in the First Amendment’s religion clause — between the public and private spheres. It is in the private sphere — the personal spaces of the heart, the home and the house of worship — that one’s religious views are allowed full sway and dictate behavior.
But in the public sphere, the argument goes, one’s religious views must be put forward with diffidence and circumspection. You can still have them and express them — that’s what separates us from theocracies and tyrannies — but they should be worn lightly. Not only must there be no effort to make them into the laws of the land, but they should not be urged on others in ways that make them uncomfortable. What religious beliefs are owed — and this is a word that appears again and again in the recent debate — is “respect”; nothing less, nothing more.
The problem, as Fish exposes, is that public ambivalence toward religion is not only condescending, but self-refuting. Insofar as this attitude resembles a religion of its own, it’s a completely inadequate response to the Muslim world.
The argument from reciprocity — you do it to us, so how can you complain if we do it to you? — will have force only if the moral equivalence of “us” and “you” is presupposed. But the relativizing of ideologies and religions belongs to the liberal theology, and would hardly be persuasive to a Muslim.
This is why calls for “dialogue,” issued so frequently of late by the pundits with an unbearable smugness — you can just see them thinking, “What’s wrong with these people?” — are unlikely to fall on receptive ears. The belief in the therapeutic and redemptive force of dialogue depends on the assumption (central to liberalism’s theology) that, after all, no idea is worth fighting over to the death and that we can always reach a position of accommodation if only we will sit down and talk it out.
But a firm adherent of a comprehensive religion doesn’t want dialogue about his beliefs; he wants those beliefs to prevail. Dialogue is not a tenet in his creed, and invoking it is unlikely to do anything but further persuade him that you have missed the point — as, indeed, you are pledged to do, so long as liberalism is the name of your faith.
I have more trouble understanding what you are trying to say than any blogger I read. What exactly is the point here? The article you quote seems to be criticising liberals for… what? Incorrect response to the cartoon riots?
That which I can understand doesn’t seem true. “The first tenet of the liberal religion is that everything (at least in the realm of expression and ideas) is to be permitted, but nothing is to be taken seriously.” That would be news to every liberal I’ve ever met. We tend to take things as seriously as anybody else. Is Fish complaining because we believe in the first Amendment?
I’m really not understanding, I think. Religious fundamentalists go nuts because they can’t handle a freaking cartoon and somehow Fish finds a way to criticize liberals? The whole problem here is a complete lack of liberal values in the fundamentalist Muslim world!
Comment by JewishAtheist — February 13, 2006 @ 1:00 am
The uproar over the Danish cartoon is yet another example of how poor Western secularists understand religion.
If this was your point, I don’t see how the article is relevant. Why don’t you quote some actual Western secularists instead of relying on Fish’s paraphrase of smug pundits?
Comment by JewishAtheist — February 13, 2006 @ 1:02 am
I think “liberal” here basically means Western. I agree that it’s ambiguous, though. As to why I didn’t “quote some actual Western secularists”, it’s because I’m lazy and I liked the article.
With the exception of religion. As a culture, I think we tend to see religion as a nice tradition that belongs in private. In public though, we’re expected to be secular. I spell this out in more detail in the earlier post I linked to.
Comment by sagoboulevard — February 13, 2006 @ 1:19 am
JewishAtheist: I agree with your comments.
Still, this quote called my attention:
I do not agree. I could hold on to certain beliefs while still being happy to have a dialogue about them. A dialogue can make you learn sth about yourself AND the other. A monologue, the outstanding way of communication at this moment, unfortunately, doesn’t learn you anything about yourself OR the other.
And what’s more: there are many, many Christians (to be clear: I’m not one of them) who feel the task of turning to the *other*, i.e., listening attentively, critically and respectfully, is central to their belief. But obviously, also in Christian circles, an attitude like this is rare. Jesus, I’d think, would oppose to the liberal creed,
BUT, and that’s important, change it in sth like
“no idea is worth fighting over to the death of another, but there are ideas worth fighting over to the death of the self.”
And didn’t Jesus (and many others) live it out exactly in this way?
The point being: there’s more to religion than the fundamentalist point of view. And that the call for a dialogue is not per se a liberal one.
Comment by Thomas — February 14, 2006 @ 9:25 am